[Advisory] primary curriculum re development
Doug Woods
deerwood9@hotmail.com
Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:04:50 +0000
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I think Ray raises an interesting point here about ICT as a subject and as =
a tool.
=20
I do feel=2C however=2C that in his response=2C Ray is focussed upon the te=
acher use of ICT whereas ICT as a subject would be focussed upon the learne=
rs' use of ICT. I believe we all need to be taught how to use ICT tools to =
their best advantage and this may come from formal instruction or informal =
learning from peers or self-learning. There is little use in asking a learn=
er to use a video camera or consult a website if they have no prior knowled=
ge/experience of how to make use of such resources.=20
=20
I do firmly believe that the best role for ICT is as tools to support and e=
nhance learning but there needs to be prior learning in how to use these to=
ols. The question is=2C however=2C should this be taught as a distinct ICT =
subject or curriculum area or should it be taught as part of learning in ot=
her subjects? This is not a new question and I'd guess the answer comes dow=
n to the needs/learning styles of the learner=3B maybe some learners need t=
o be taught these skills as a separate subject area whereas others are able=
to develop these skills while working on other subject areas.
=20
Possibly the confusion comes in that we label both of these 'ICT'=2C maybe =
we should resurrect the old label=2C 'computer science'?
=20
Doug Woods
=20
From: rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk
To: advisory@talk.naace.org
Subject: RE: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
Date: Mon=2C 2 Nov 2009 16:22:46 +0000
RE: =91Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a prima=
ry curriculum subject=92.=20
=20
Please forgive me if this sounds a bit arrogant but isn=92t it time we stop=
ped thinking about ICT as a subject? (Except possibly as a GCSE or A-level =
=91subject=92.) Surely we are past the stage of observing a dialogue betwee=
n two pupils and questioning whether to write it down word by word? No we =
would quickly grab a voice recorder. If we wanted to document a dance sequ=
ence or gymnastic activity=2C would we write about it or grab a video-camer=
a? If a child asks a difficult question in a Geography lesson do we say =
=91Don=92t worry me now.=92 Or do we say =91Sorry I don=92t know=2C but wh=
y not Ask Jeeves=92? Surely=2C by now all teachers should be capable of id=
entifying where=2C in their own personal teaching plans=2C they might best =
use ICT tools? Yes I know that this needs planning=2C batteries charged=2C=
just in case... etc. But this is what teachers do. We make sure that the=
resources are readily available and encourage appropriate use as and when =
the need arises.
=20
Ray Tolley FEIDCT=2C NAACE Fellow=2C MBILD
ICT Education Consultant
Maximise ICT Ltd
P: http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/
B: http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/
W: http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm
Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009'
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From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] =
On Behalf Of Barbara Davies
Sent: 02 November 2009 15:25
To: 'Walker=2C Yvonne'=3B 'NAACE Advisory (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
=20
The difficulties you are finding are not unfamiliar to me=85..
=20
We are beginning to look at the programmes of learning which have come from=
the review of the primary curriculum to provide guidance about where ICT m=
ight be embedded=2C with a hope that whatever is developed now might still =
be usable in a few years time. Also trying to ensure that the ICT learned i=
s useful to the pupils learning in other subjects.
=20
Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a primary curr=
iculum subject=2C particularly with regard to learning outcomes for pupils =
=96 perhaps even APP statements?=20
=20
Barbara
Barbara Davies
ICT Consultant
The Hucclecote Centre
Churchdown Lane
Hucclecote=20
Gloucestershire GL3 3QN
=20
Tel: 01452 527310
Fax: 01452 427258
Mobile: 07771 794405
=20
From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] =
On Behalf Of Walker=2C Yvonne
Sent: 30 October 2009 08:35
To: NAACE Advisory (E-mail)
Subject: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
=20
I am working with a number of schools to help them re develop their curricu=
lum. I am finding a number of difficulties:=20
1) Recently qualified teachers are unable to develop their curriculum in te=
rms of topics as they have been trained around the QCA=20
2) Longer serving teachers are happier to engage with topics but are less c=
onfident about teaching the complete NC (especially when it comes to ICT!)=
=20
Personally=2C I think we need to go right back to why we are educating chil=
dren in the first place and that is to give them the necessary skills and k=
nowledge to access the 21st century world of work successfully. But=2C that=
in itself is a real problem because most teachers have been in education a=
ll their lives and just want to stick with what they know.=20
My approach to this is to encourage schools to think about work related lea=
rning and to develop their curriculum around this. However this is a really=
big shift for most primary schools. Anybody got any comments / ideas / cas=
e studies that would help me with this?
=20
Thanks
=20
Yvonne Walker
Primary ICT Consultant
North East Lincolnshire
Tel: 01472 323273
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I think Ray raises an interesting point here about ICT as a subject and as =
a tool.<BR>
 =3B<BR>
I do feel=2C =3Bhowever=2C that in his response=2C Ray is focussed upon=
the teacher use of ICT whereas ICT as a subject would be focussed upon the=
learners' use of ICT. I believe we all need to be taught how to use ICT to=
ols to =3Btheir best advantage and this may come from formal instructio=
n or informal learning from peers or self-learning. =3BThere is little =
use in asking a learner to use a video camera or consult a website if they =
have no prior knowledge/experience of how to make use of such resources. <B=
R>
 =3B<BR>
I do firmly believe that the best role for ICT is as tools to support and e=
nhance learning but there needs to be prior learning in how to use these to=
ols. The question is=2C however=2C should this be taught as a distinct ICT =
subject or curriculum area or should it be taught as part of learning in ot=
her subjects? This is not a new question and I'd guess the answer comes dow=
n to the needs/learning styles of the learner=3B maybe some learners need t=
o be taught these skills =3Bas a separate subject area whereas others a=
re able to develop these skills while working on other subject areas.<BR>
 =3B<BR>
Possibly the confusion comes in that we label both of these 'ICT'=2C maybe =
we should resurrect the old label=2C 'computer science'?<BR>
 =3B<BR>
Doug Woods<BR>
<BR> =3B<BR>
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? (Except possibly as a GCSE or A-level =91subject=92.) Surely we are past =
the stage of observing a dialogue between two pupils and questioning whethe=
r to write it down word by word? =3B No we would quickly grab a voice r=
ecorder. =3B If we wanted to document a dance sequence or gymnastic act=
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asks a difficult question in a Geography lesson do we say =91Don=92t worry=
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<P class=3DecxMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'=2C'sans-serif=
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'=3B COLOR: #1f497d=3B FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> =3B</SPAN></P>
<P class=3DecxMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'=2C'sans-serif=
'=3B COLOR: #1f497d=3B FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We are beginning to look at the pro=
grammes of learning which have come from the review of the primary curricul=
um to provide guidance about where ICT might be embedded=2C with a hope tha=
t whatever is developed now might still be usable in a few years time. Also=
trying to ensure that the ICT learned is useful to the pupils learning in =
other subjects.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DecxMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'=2C'sans-serif=
'=3B COLOR: #1f497d=3B FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Would love to see a little more dir=
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regard to learning outcomes for pupils =96 perhaps even APP statements? </=
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<P class=3DecxMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">I am working with a nu=
mber of schools to help them re develop their curriculum. I am finding a nu=
mber of difficulties: <BR>1) Recently qualified teachers are unable to deve=
lop their curriculum in terms of topics as they have been trained around th=
e QCA <BR>2) Longer serving teachers are happier to engage with topics but =
are less confident about teaching the complete NC (especially when it comes=
to ICT!) <BR>Personally=2C I think we need to go right back to why we are =
educating children in the first place and that is to give them the necessar=
y skills and knowledge to access the 21st century world of work successfull=
y. But=2C that in itself is a real problem because most teachers have been =
in education all their lives and just want to stick with what they know. <B=
R>My approach to this is to encourage schools to think about work related l=
earning and to develop their curriculum around this. However this is a real=
ly big shift for most primary schools. Anybody got any comments / ideas / c=
ase studies that would help me with this?</SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DecxMsoNormal> =3B</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DecxMsoNormal>Thanks</P></DIV>
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<P class=3DecxMsoNormal><EM><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'=2C'sans-=
serif'">Yvonne Walker</SPAN></B></EM></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DecxMsoNormal>Primary ICT Consultant<BR>North East Lincolnshire<B=
R>Tel: 01472 323273</P></DIV></DIV>
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