[Advisory] primary curriculum re development
Terry Freedman
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@Yvonne I am not really surprised that you have come across these
difficulties. In 2006 (
<http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/process_and_product.php>
http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/process_and_product.php) I
voiced the opinion that "what we need is not more off-the-shelf schemes of
work and assessment materials, which I regard as equivalent to painting by
numbers, but enough of an investment in teachers' professional development
to create many experts."
OK, onto practical matters. I don't know of any case studies etc for the
primary phase, but you might try adapting these materials, or getting ideas
from them. They are for the 14-19 age range, but in terms of work-related
learning, the basic principles would be the same in terms of working with
employers and creating scenarios etc:
<http://www.diploma-support.org/resourcesandtools/insidework/ee/IT>
http://www.diploma-support.org/resourcesandtools/insidework/ee/IT
<http://www.e-skills.com/Diploma-in-IT/Schools-and-Colleges/materials/2462>
http://www.e-skills.com/Diploma-in-IT/Schools-and-Colleges/materials/2462
The following site is aimed at employers, and is very good indeed. It looks
at things like developing a case study, mentoring and other useful stuff:
<http://backtoschool.e-skills.com/getinvolved/>
http://backtoschool.e-skills.com/getinvolved/
@Pete, I am with Neil on this. If we don't need guidance from anyone else,
why do we belong to this community?
Best wishes
Terry
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From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org]
On Behalf Of Neil Adam
Sent: 02 November 2009 17:10
To: NAACE Advisory (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
Sorry Pete, but I think you are being unreasonable
I am not working in that immediate area, so I hope I have no axe to grind.
I don't see why you have a problem with a colleague requesting support and
guidance. This is a sharing community, isn't it? Not everyone has time to
focus on everything just as soon as it appears. Requesting other people's
input provides starting points, challenges thinking and grows community
expertise.
If consultants (and lecturers) don't think they need advice then don't be
surprised when schools (or trainee teachers) don't think they need it either
Neil
At 16:08 02/11/2009, Peter Yeomans wrote:
Hello all,
I think you have articulated the problem very well ' we would welcome
guidance or even app targets'.
Are we so institutionalised that not only teachers but consultants need
guidance from someone else . We should all be well informed critical
practitioners not lemmings expecting someone else to solve the problems our
professional dignity should have already eliminated.
Sorry it's blunt . I weep for the futures of our children .
Pete
Sent from my iPhone
On 2 Nov 2009, at 15:25, "Barbara Davies" < barbara.davies@rmplc.co.uk
<mailto:barbara.davies@rmplc.co.uk> > wrote:
The difficulties you are finding are not unfamiliar to me...
We are beginning to look at the programmes of learning which have come from
the review of the primary curriculum to provide guidance about where ICT
might be embedded, with a hope that whatever is developed now might still be
usable in a few years time. Also trying to ensure that the ICT learned is
useful to the pupils learning in other subjects.
Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a primary
curriculum subject, particularly with regard to learning outcomes for pupils
- perhaps even APP statements?
Barbara
Barbara Davies
ICT Consultant
The Hucclecote Centre
Churchdown Lane
Hucclecote
Gloucestershire GL3 3QN
Tel: 01452 527310
Fax: 01452 427258
Mobile: 07771 794405
From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [ <mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org>
mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Walker, Yvonne
Sent: 30 October 2009 08:35
To: NAACE Advisory (E-mail)
Subject: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
I am working with a number of schools to help them re develop their
curriculum. I am finding a number of difficulties:
1) Recently qualified teachers are unable to develop their curriculum in
terms of topics as they have been trained around the QCA
2) Longer serving teachers are happier to engage with topics but are less
confident about teaching the complete NC (especially when it comes to ICT!)
Personally, I think we need to go right back to why we are educating
children in the first place and that is to give them the necessary skills
and knowledge to access the 21st century world of work successfully. But,
that in itself is a real problem because most teachers have been in
education all their lives and just want to stick with what they know.
My approach to this is to encourage schools to think about work related
learning and to develop their curriculum around this. However this is a
really big shift for most primary schools. Anybody got any comments / ideas
/ case studies that would help me with this?
Thanks
Yvonne Walker
Primary ICT Consultant
North East Lincolnshire
Tel: 01472 323273
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really surprised
that you have come across these difficulties. In 2006 (</span></a><a
href=3D"http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/process_and_product.p=
hp"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://terr=
y-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/process_and_product.php</span></a><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>) I
voiced the opinion that “what we need is not more off-the-shelf =
schemes
of work and assessment materials, which I regard as equivalent to =
painting by
numbers, but enough of an investment in teachers' professional =
development to
create many experts.” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OK, onto practical matters. I don’t know of any =
case
studies etc for the primary phase, but you might try adapting these =
materials,
or getting ideas from them. They are for the 14-19 age range, but in =
terms of
work-related learning, the basic principles would be the same in terms =
of
working with employers and creating scenarios etc:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><a
href=3D"http://www.diploma-support.org/resourcesandtools/insidework/ee/IT=
"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.=
diploma-support.org/resourcesandtools/insidework/ee/IT</span></a><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><a
href=3D"http://www.e-skills.com/Diploma-in-IT/Schools-and-Colleges/materi=
als/2462"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://www.=
e-skills.com/Diploma-in-IT/Schools-and-Colleges/materials/2462</span></a>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The following site is aimed at employers, and is very =
good
indeed. It looks at things like developing a case study, mentoring and =
other useful
stuff:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://back=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>@Pete, I am with Neil on this. If we don’t need =
guidance
from anyone else, why do we belong to this community? =
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[mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neil Adam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 02 November 2009 17:10<br>
<b>To:</b> NAACE Advisory (E-mail)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Advisory] primary curriculum re =
development<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry Pete, but I think you are being =
unreasonable<br>
<br>
I am not working in that immediate area, so I hope I have no axe to =
grind.<br>
<br>
I don't see why you have a problem with a colleague requesting support =
and
guidance. This is a sharing community, isn't it? Not everyone has time =
to focus
on everything just as soon as it appears. Requesting other people's =
input
provides starting points, challenges thinking and grows community =
expertise.<br>
<br>
If consultants (and lecturers) don't think they need advice then don't =
be
surprised when schools (or trainee teachers) don't think they need it =
either<br>
<br>
Neil<br>
<br>
At 16:08 02/11/2009, Peter Yeomans wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello all, <br>
<br>
I think you have articulated the problem very well ' we would welcome =
guidance
or even app targets'. <br>
<br>
Are we so institutionalised that not only teachers but consultants need
guidance from someone else . We should all be well informed =
critical
practitioners not lemmings expecting someone else to solve the problems =
our
professional dignity should have already eliminated.<br>
<br>
Sorry it's blunt . I weep for the futures of our children .<br>
<br>
Pete<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On 2 Nov 2009, at 15:25, "Barbara Davies" <<a
href=3D"mailto:barbara.davies@rmplc.co.uk"> =
barbara.davies@rmplc.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>The difficulties you are finding are not unfamiliar =
to
me…..<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We are beginning to look at the programmes of learning which have come =
from the
review of the primary curriculum to provide guidance about where ICT =
might be
embedded, with a hope that whatever is developed now might still be =
usable in a
few years time. Also trying to ensure that the ICT learned is useful to =
the
pupils learning in other subjects.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a primary
curriculum subject, particularly with regard to learning outcomes for =
pupils
– perhaps even APP statements? <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Barbara<br>
<br>
Barbara Davies<br>
<br>
ICT Consultant<br>
<br>
The Hucclecote Centre<br>
<br>
Churchdown Lane<br>
<br>
Hucclecote <br>
<br>
Gloucestershire GL3 3QN<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Tel: 01452 527310<br>
<br>
Fax: 01452 427258<br>
<br>
Mobile: 07771 794405<br>
<br>
<br>
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<b>From:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org">advisory-admin@talk.naace.o=
rg</a>
[<a href=3D"mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org">
mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Walker, =
Yvonne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 October 2009 08:35<br>
<b>To:</b> NAACE Advisory (E-mail)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Advisory] primary curriculum re development<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am working with a number of schools to help them re develop their =
curriculum.
I am finding a number of difficulties: <br>
1) Recently qualified teachers are unable to develop their curriculum in =
terms
of topics as they have been trained around the QCA <br>
2) Longer serving teachers are happier to engage with topics but are =
less
confident about teaching the complete NC (especially when it comes to =
ICT!) <br>
Personally, I think we need to go right back to why we are educating =
children
in the first place and that is to give them the necessary skills and =
knowledge
to access the 21st century world of work successfully. But, that in =
itself is a
real problem because most teachers have been in education all their =
lives and
just want to stick with what they know. <br>
My approach to this is to encourage schools to think about work related
learning and to develop their curriculum around this. However this is a =
really
big shift for most primary schools. Anybody got any comments / ideas / =
case studies
that would help me with this?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<b><i>Yvonne Walker<br>
</i></b><br>
Primary ICT Consultant<br>
North East Lincolnshire<br>
Tel: 01472 323273<br>
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