[Advisory] primary curriculum re development
VWA Lane
vlane@ggfl.education.gg
Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:20:16 +0000
On 2 Nov 2009, at 18:08, Peter Yeomans wrote:
> In support of Ray, have a look at the hole in the wall project on ted.com
> . Kids are resourceful, they can teach themselves how to use
> computers and cameras and all sorts. What they don't need are
> teachers holding them back!
>
> Pete
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
Surely what they can't teach themselves though is the grammar of film,
the right way to layout a poster, the right choice of fonts, etc. We
need to raise our sights beyond just point and click skills to matters
of quality and purpose and audience otherwise we will fail our students.
Victor Lane
> On 2 Nov 2009, at 17:39, "Ray Tolley" <rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Doug,
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, teachers MUST know how to use the equipment without passing
>> the buck to a technician or classroom assistant. However, given
>> that the teacher understands how and where any tool can be used, as
>> per Dewey, we should be surrounding our pupils with such resources
>> and experiences as and when appropriate to extend their learning.
>>
>>
>>
>> BUT re: ‘There is little use in asking a learner to use a video
>> camera or consult a website if they have no prior knowledge/
>> experience of how to make use of such resources’. I tend to
>> disagree.
>>
>>
>>
>> Teachers are not daft: they know their kids and do not need to
>> give long formal lessons if a quick chat with a small group is all
>> that is necessary. Most children have some experience of these
>> tools even at KS1 and it’s just a case of building up. Rarely in
>> one’s lesson plan does the teacher enter ‘Prior Experience: NONE’.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray Tolley FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, MBILD
>> ICT Education Consultant
>> Maximise ICT Ltd
>> P: http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/
>>
>> B: http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/
>> W: http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm
>> Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009'
>>
>>
>>
>> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-
>> admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Doug Woods
>> Sent: 02 November 2009 17:05
>> To: rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk; Advisory NaaceTalk
>> Subject: RE: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Ray raises an interesting point here about ICT as a subject
>> and as a tool.
>>
>> I do feel, however, that in his response, Ray is focussed upon the
>> teacher use of ICT whereas ICT as a subject would be focussed upon
>> the learners' use of ICT. I believe we all need to be taught how to
>> use ICT tools to their best advantage and this may come from formal
>> instruction or informal learning from peers or self-learning. There
>> is little use in asking a learner to use a video camera or consult
>> a website if they have no prior knowledge/experience of how to make
>> use of such resources.
>>
>> I do firmly believe that the best role for ICT is as tools to
>> support and enhance learning but there needs to be prior learning
>> in how to use these tools. The question is, however, should this be
>> taught as a distinct ICT subject or curriculum area or should it be
>> taught as part of learning in other subjects? This is not a new
>> question and I'd guess the answer comes down to the needs/learning
>> styles of the learner; maybe some learners need to be taught these
>> skills as a separate subject area whereas others are able to
>> develop these skills while working on other subject areas.
>>
>> Possibly the confusion comes in that we label both of these 'ICT',
>> maybe we should resurrect the old label, 'computer science'?
>>
>> Doug Woods
>>
>>
>>
>> From: rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk
>> To: advisory@talk.naace.org
>> Subject: RE: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:22:46 +0000
>>
>> RE: ‘Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a
>> primary curriculum subject’.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please forgive me if this sounds a bit arrogant but isn’t it time
>> we stopped thinking about ICT as a subject? (Except possibly as a
>> GCSE or A-level ‘subject’.) Surely we are past the stage of
>> observing a dialogue between two pupils and questioning whether to
>> write it down word by word? No we would quickly grab a voice
>> recorder. If we wanted to document a dance sequence or gymnastic
>> activity, would we write about it or grab a video-camera? If a
>> child asks a difficult question in a Geography lesson do we say
>> ‘Don’t worry me now.’ Or do we say ‘Sorry I don’t know, but why
>> not Ask Jeeves’? Surely, by now all teachers should be capable of
>> identifying where, in their own personal teaching plans, they might
>> best use ICT tools? Yes I know that this needs planning, batteries
>> charged, just in case... etc. But this is what teachers do. We
>> make sure that the resources are readily available and encourage
>> appropriate use as and when the need arises.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray Tolley FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, MBILD
>> ICT Education Consultant
>> Maximise ICT Ltd
>> P: http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/
>>
>> B: http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/
>> W: http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm
>> Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009'
>>
>>
>>
>> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-
>> admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Davies
>> Sent: 02 November 2009 15:25
>> To: 'Walker, Yvonne'; 'NAACE Advisory (E-mail)'
>> Subject: RE: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
>>
>>
>>
>> The difficulties you are finding are not unfamiliar to me…..
>>
>>
>>
>> We are beginning to look at the programmes of learning which have
>> come from the review of the primary curriculum to provide guidance
>> about where ICT might be embedded, with a hope that whatever is
>> developed now might still be usable in a few years time. Also
>> trying to ensure that the ICT learned is useful to the pupils
>> learning in other subjects.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would love to see a little more direct guidance about ICT as a
>> primary curriculum subject, particularly with regard to learning
>> outcomes for pupils – perhaps even APP statements?
>>
>>
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>> Barbara Davies
>>
>> ICT Consultant
>>
>> The Hucclecote Centre
>>
>> Churchdown Lane
>>
>> Hucclecote
>>
>> Gloucestershire GL3 3QN
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>>
>>
>> Tel: 01452 527310
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>> Fax: 01452 427258
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>> Mobile: 07771 794405
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>> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-
>> admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Walker, Yvonne
>> Sent: 30 October 2009 08:35
>> To: NAACE Advisory (E-mail)
>> Subject: [Advisory] primary curriculum re development
>>
>>
>>
>> I am working with a number of schools to help them re develop their
>> curriculum. I am finding a number of difficulties:
>> 1) Recently qualified teachers are unable to develop their
>> curriculum in terms of topics as they have been trained around the
>> QCA
>> 2) Longer serving teachers are happier to engage with topics but
>> are less confident about teaching the complete NC (especially when
>> it comes to ICT!)
>> Personally, I think we need to go right back to why we are
>> educating children in the first place and that is to give them the
>> necessary skills and knowledge to access the 21st century world of
>> work successfully. But, that in itself is a real problem because
>> most teachers have been in education all their lives and just want
>> to stick with what they know.
>> My approach to this is to encourage schools to think about work
>> related learning and to develop their curriculum around this.
>> However this is a really big shift for most primary schools.
>> Anybody got any comments / ideas / case studies that would help me
>> with this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Yvonne Walker
>>
>> Primary ICT Consultant
>> North East Lincolnshire
>> Tel: 01472 323273
>>
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