[Secondary] RE: [Advisory] How do e-portfolios benefit the
learning process?
Ian Lynch
ianrlynch@googlemail.com
Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:21:48 +0000
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ray Tolley <rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk> wrote:
> Ian wrote:
>
> *Because the real world simply doesn't work like that. Most of the early
> adopters of social networking sites (and e-portfolios are just a particul=
ar
> specialist example of this type of content) have numerous accounts on
> different applications. *
>
>
>
> By that argument should we still be using separate and incompatible
> applications?
>
No, we would be supporting and furthering open standards. Incompatibility o=
f
applications is largely the result of giving too much power to individual
commercial interests. If one company established a monopoly in e-portfolios
it would be horrendous for civil liberties. it would be bad enough if a
government had such power never mind a private company.
We should still be following the advice of the =91early adopters=92 and usi=
ng
> BBC =91B=92s, Betamax and Multiplan.
>
Hardly, the world has changed completely. There is a shift from desktop fil=
e
bound stuff to the web. What matters is learning how this new world works
and the most tech savvy youngsters don't use one application, they have man=
y
accounts and know what the limitations are in moving information between
them. Unfortunately there are just too few such learners but they are the
leaders. While moving a Betamax video recording to VHS is rather difficult
moving an HTML page from application A to application B is trivially simple=
.
In fact the whole concept of moving data is becoming questionable. Why move
a video file when all you need do is change a link?
> No, we have moved on =96 we currently have good applications that perfo=
rm
> in a multitude of ways and over a wide variety of operating systems and
> devices: a wordprocessor that has interactive spreadsheet functions,
> hyperlinks from the Contents list, embedded video or MP3 links, the abili=
ty
> to export this note as a .pdf file or send this wordprocessed document as=
an
> e-mail or to read on my iPhone. And that is how I see the e-Portfolio be=
ing
> used. Yes we might still use a range of specialist tools as =91add-ons=
=92 but
> the resultant artefacts can be stored in one logical place.
>
If you choose to work like that fine, but please don't impose such archaic
practice on me or any other informed citizen. This is not about to-day's
gadgets. Educate citizens so they can decide how they want to work, where
they want their information stored and the degree of control they want to
have over it.
> However, actually, I agree with Ian=92s conclusion: *It=92s all about lea=
rning
not administration, procurement frameworks and other bureaucratic systems*.
If that is the case how come most of this post is about technology gadgets
and trying to say there is something particularly unique about e-portfolios
when compared to similar technologies?
> Until teachers have the freedom to teach, to explore and develop their
own teaching styles and to innovate, I doubt that we will ever be able to
motivate and inspire our youngsters as we would wish.
Youngsters are inspired and motivated by being enabled to understand and be
in control of their world. Freedom is at least partly based in learning
fundamental principles rather than buying sanitised technologies that can b=
e
used mindlessly. I'd go as far as to say much of this technology is more
about marketing than it is about learning.
BW
Ray Tolley FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, MBILD
ICT Education Consultant
Maximise ICT Ltd
P: http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/
B: http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/
W: http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm
Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009'
*From:* Ian Lynch [mailto:ianrlynch@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* 04 November 2009 15:37
*To:* Ray Tolley
*Cc:* advisory@talk.naace.org; secondary@talk.naace.org
*Subject:* Re: [Secondary] RE: [Advisory] How do e-portfolios benefit the
learning process?
Andrew stated: Rather than having one eportfolio, a student or a child ma=
y
find themselves creating a variety of eportfolios for different purposes. I
don't see any problem with this.
Hum, I do. (see link:
http://efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-many-different-e-portfolios.h=
tml
) Why have separate e-Portfolios for different purposes when the one
e-Portfolio can present different =91views=92 to different audiences?
Because the real world simply doesn't work like that. Most of the early
adopters of social networking sites (and e-portfolios are just a particular
specialist example of this type of content) have numerous accounts on
different applications. I think we can get too hung up on the term
e-portfolio like with IWBs. What we are talking about is a flexible use of
on-line information through which learning can take place and for which the
user can create a subset of their activities to display to interested
parties. To do that a savvy person could use generic tools freely available
on the web now. The deficiency is not in web tools and technologies, its
deficiency in the skills to use what is there and the experience to work in
a different way. Its all about learning not administration, procurement
frameworks and other bureaucratic systems. Until that is grasped I don't
hold out much hope and there is no quick fix. It requires people to have th=
e
motivation to change the way they work. It will happen eventually, the
question is to what extent it can be sped up? Unfortunately, a lot of the
money aimed at trying to do that seems to be actually doing the reverse.
Ian
>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ray Tol=
ley <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk">rjt@max=
imise-ict.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-GB">
<div><div class=3D"im">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">Ian wrote:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i>Because the real world simply doesn't work li=
ke that.
Most of the early adopters of social networking sites (and e-portfolios are
just a particular specialist example of this type of content) have numerous
accounts on different applications.=A0</i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">By that argument should we still be using sepa=
rate and
incompatible applications?=A0</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>No, we w=
ould be supporting and furthering open standards. Incompatibility of applic=
ations is largely the result of giving too much power to individual commerc=
ial interests. If one company established a monopoly in e-portfolios it wou=
ld be horrendous for civil liberties. it would be bad enough if a governmen=
t had such power never mind a private company.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid=
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div li=
nk=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-GB"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> We=
should still be following the advice of the
=91early adopters=92 and using BBC =91B=92s, Betamax and Multiplan.</p></di=
v></div></blockquote><div><br>Hardly, the world has changed completely. The=
re is a shift from desktop file bound stuff to the web. What matters is lea=
rning how this new world works and the most tech savvy youngsters don't=
use one application, they have many accounts and know what the limitations=
are in moving information between them. Unfortunately there are just too f=
ew such learners but they are the leaders. While moving a Betamax video rec=
ording to VHS is rather difficult moving an HTML page from application A to=
application B is trivially simple. In fact the whole concept of moving dat=
a is becoming questionable. Why move a video file when all you need do is c=
hange a link? <br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb=
(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div link=
=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-GB"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0
No, we have moved on =96 we currently have good applications that perform
in a multitude of ways and over a wide variety of operating systems and dev=
ices:
a wordprocessor that has interactive spreadsheet functions, hyperlinks from=
the
Contents list, embedded video or MP3 links, the ability to export this note=
as
a .pdf file or send this wordprocessed document as an e-mail or to read on =
my
iPhone.=A0 And that is how I see the e-Portfolio being used.=A0 Yes we
might still use a range of specialist tools as =91add-ons=92 but the
resultant artefacts can be stored in one logical place.</p></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div>If you choose to work like that fine, but please don't im=
pose such archaic practice on me or any other informed citizen. This is not=
about to-day's gadgets. Educate citizens so they can decide how they w=
ant to work, where they want their information stored and the degree of con=
trol they want to have over it. =A0
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">> However, actually, I agree with Ian=92s conclus=
ion: <i>It=92s
all about learning not administration, procurement frameworks and other
bureaucratic systems</i>.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If that is the case how=
come most of this post is about technology gadgets and trying to say there=
is something particularly unique about e-portfolios when compared to simil=
ar technologies? <br>
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0> Until teachers have the freedom to teach=
, to
explore and develop their own teaching styles and to innovate, I doubt that=
we
will ever be able to motivate and inspire our youngsters as we would wish. =
<br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Youngsters are inspired and motivated by bei=
ng enabled to understand and be in control of their world. Freedom is at le=
ast partly based in learning fundamental principles rather than buying sani=
tised technologies that can be used mindlessly. I'd go as far as to say=
much of this technology is more about marketing than it is about learning.=
<br>
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">BW</span></p><div class=3D"im">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">Ray Tolley=A0 FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, MBILD<br>
ICT Education Consultant<br>
Maximise ICT Ltd<br>
P:=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a h=
ref=3D"http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/" target=3D"_blank"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/</span><=
/a></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">B:=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);=
"><a href=3D"http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/</span><=
/a></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
W:=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a h=
ref=3D"http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm" target=3D"_blank"><span=
style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm</sp=
an></a></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br=
>
</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(192, 0, 0);">Winner of th=
e IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009'</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">=A0</span></p>
</div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 1=
96, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; border-width: 1pt medium =
medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" lang=3D"EN-US">F=
rom:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;" lang=3D"EN-US"> Ian Lynch [=
mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ianrlynch@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank">ianrly=
nch@googlemail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 November 2009 15:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Ray Tolley<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:advisory@talk.naace.org" target=3D"_blank">adv=
isory@talk.naace.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:secondary@talk.naace.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">secondary@talk.naace.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Secondary] RE: [Advisory] How do e-portfolios benefit =
the
learning process?</span></p>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A0</p>
<div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">Andrew stated: </span>Rather than having
one eportfolio, a student or a child=A0=A0may find themselves creating a
variety of eportfolios for different purposes. I don't see any problem =
with
this.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 1=
25);">Hum, I do. (see link: <a href=3D"http://efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/20=
09/10/how-many-different-e-portfolios.html" target=3D"_blank">http://efolio=
intheuk.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-many-different-e-portfolios.html</a>
=A0)=A0 Why have separate e-Portfolios for different purposes when the
one e-Portfolio can present different =91views=92 to different
audiences? </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Because the real world simply doesn't work like that. Most of the early
adopters of social networking sites (and e-portfolios are just a particular
specialist example of this type of content) have numerous accounts on diffe=
rent
applications.=A0 I think we can get too hung up on the term e-portfolio lik=
e
with IWBs. What we are talking about is a flexible use of on-line informati=
on
through which learning can take place and for which the user can create a
subset of their activities to display to interested parties. To do that a s=
avvy
person could use generic tools freely available on the web now. The deficie=
ncy
is not in web tools and technologies, its deficiency in the skills to use w=
hat
is there and the experience to work in a different way. Its all about learn=
ing
not administration, procurement frameworks and other bureaucratic systems.
Until that is grasped I don't hold out much hope and there is no quick =
fix. It
requires people to have the motivation to change the way they work. It will
happen eventually, the question is to what extent it can be sped up?
Unfortunately, a lot of the money aimed at trying to do that seems to be
actually doing the reverse.<br>
<br>
Ian</p>
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