This thread seems to me to illustrate a critical block on the development of = innovative technology in schools. Large amounts of money are spent centrally on big systems (often of doubtful value) – but when people close to the = chalk face decide that it would be useful to spend $186 on a tool of real use = in the classroom, the cupboard is bare.

I do not see this as an iSpring problem (they have to earn their living like the rest = of us). Nor is it a problem about there not being enough money in the = system. It is that the money is in the wrong hands and being spent on the wrong = things.

In SALTIS, we see the integration of innovative tools with VLEs as being critical. = SALTIS can help on technical integration - but this counts for nothing if there = are not the right funds to be able to ensure that the good stuff gets = bought. This means putting buying power in the hands of teachers and their immediate = ICT advisers, who are in the best position to decide on purchasing = priorities.

Government seems to expect teachers predominantly to use with free tools, as if = they were working for the local modelling club, rather than engaged in a project = of vital importance to the future of the country and its = citizens.

Crispin.

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org]

> On Behalf Of Adrian = Lyth

> Sent: 25 January 2010 = 12:00

> To: M Cooch; Nigel Ford; = Ray Tolley; advisory@talk.naace.org;

> secondary@talk.naace.org

> Subject: RE: [Advisory] = RE: [Secondary] Swf generator

> Hi all

> Are there any restrictions in using this? I have heard a = rumour that it

> cannot be used on learning = platforms?

> Adrian W. Lyth

> Teaching and Learning Consultant (Primary = ICT)

> East Sussex School Improvement Service

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org

> [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of M Cooch

> Sent: 24 January 2010 00:27

> To: Nigel Ford; 'Ray Tolley'; = advisory@talk.naace.org;

> secondary@talk.naace.org

> Subject: [Advisory] RE: [Secondary] Swf = generator

> How about ispring free (i spring solutions)? Not a football = but it does

> come up as an add -on in the ribbon of Powerpoint = Mary

> = ________________________________________

> From: secondary-admin@talk.naace.org [secondary-admin@talk.naace.org] On

> Behalf Of Nigel Ford = [nigel@fordfamily.org.uk]

> Sent: 23 January 2010 21:58

> To: 'Ray Tolley'; advisory@talk.naace.org; secondary@talk.naace.org

> Subject: RE: [Secondary] Swf = generator

> Not exactly that, no, but I believe that functionality is = now in

> Office-Powerpoint 2010 -which is downloadable or on = the front cover of

> PCPro March issue

> Best wishes

> Nigel

> From: = secondary-admin@talk.naace.org

> [mailto:secondary-admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Ray = Tolley

> Sent: 23 January 2010 8:57 PM

> To: advisory@talk.naace.org; = secondary@talk.naace.org

> Subject: [Secondary] Swf = generator

> Help! Urgent!

> I used to use a very nice tool that enabled me to combine voice-over

> with a .ppt and save as a .swf file but I cannot find it = now.

> It had a small icon of a black and white football which = resided as an

> add-on to PowerPoint. Can anyone suggest the name or = link, please?

> Ray Tolley FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, ACQI, MBILD ICT = Education Consultant

> Maximise ICT Ltd

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Colleagues

Many of you heard Graham= =20 Brown-Martin giving the final keynote at our 2009 Strategic Conference. (An= d have you booked for 2010?)

Graham has been in touch about the = next Game Based Learning=20 Conference and a special offer for Naace members.

Paul

It's coming up=20 March 29th - 30th in London and, as you'd expect, we have a spectacular= line-up=20 of speakers including Ed Vaizey (Shadow Minister for Culture and the Creati= ve=20 Industries), Ewan McIntosh, Derek Robertson, Siobhan Reddy and Kareem Ettou= ney=20 (Media Molecule - creators of Little Big Planet), David Yarnton (General=20 Manager, Nintendo UK), Matt Mason (Author, Pirates Dilemma), Alice Taylor= =20 (Commissioning Editor, Education, Channel 4) and many more=20 surprises.

I set up a special=20 10% discount for NAACE members who want to register and the early bird=20 registration which costs just =A3345 (before discount) ends on January=20 31st!

In addition to=20 saving up to =A3250 on the standard or late registration passes early bird= =20 delegates receive a free digital camcorder that they can use to capture asp= ects=20 of the conference for later reflection AND a FREE CPD workshop of their cho= ice=20 being hosted in London during 2010.

The code=20 is: naacegbl10

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=A0Here's what ICT in=20 Education says about GBL 10:

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Very=20 best

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--0015174ff35264b582047e28e93d-- From heinrich@ntlworld.com Wed Jan 27 20:56:21 2010 From: heinrich@ntlworld.com (Paul Heinrich) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Advisory] Advancing Education - Spring 2010 Message-ID: <4B60A875.9090806@ntlworld.com> Colleagues, There is still time to submit papers for the Spring 2010 issue of Advancing Education. All items are considered but I would particularly like to see something on BSF experiences to date (positive and negative), effective CPD, initial Diploma feedback and provision of online reporting to parents and similar - all issues currently engaging many of us. This is your chance for fame (but not fortune - sorry!). Articles can be of any length - short 100 word case studies are just as valued as extended research papers.Please send all contributions as Word or ODF files, preferably with graphics in jpg format, max side 1000 px zipped separately, to me at heinrich@ntlworld.com or paul@paulheinrich.co.uk.. Thanks. Paul Heinrich -- Visit the Talyllyn Railway at Tywyn on the Mid-Wales Coast. The World's first preserved railway complete with original Victorian locomotives and rolling stock. See www.talyllyn.co.uk From mark@thechambers.org.uk Fri Jan 29 15:55:58 2010 From: mark@thechambers.org.uk (Mark Chambers) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Advisory] Help please Message-ID: --_656dd690-4628-43d0-af50-0b59c256137e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for someone strategic to facilitate a debate with headteachers on e= -learning March 25th in Yorkshire interested/suggestions - email me direct = please=20 Mark http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 http://blip.fm/twm2912 http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers=20 Skype: twm2912 = --_656dd690-4628-43d0-af50-0b59c256137e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for someone strategic to facilitate a d= ebate with headteachers on e-learning March 25th in =3BYorkshire intere= sted/suggestions - =3Bemail me direct please

Mark
http://www.diigo= .com/profile/twm2912
http://blip.fm/twm2912http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers
Skype: twm2912

<= BR>
= --_656dd690-4628-43d0-af50-0b59c256137e_-- From mark@thechambers.org.uk Sat Jan 30 12:23:28 2010 From: mark@thechambers.org.uk (Mark Chambers) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:23:28 +0000 Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics Message-ID: --_e3766bff-bd8d-4d25-aa71-679dc1ce703e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - what= are the hot topics that we will all be debating? =20 Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? Does institutional self evaluation work? Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? =20 What do we think colleagues? Mark http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 http://blip.fm/twm2912 http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers=20 Skype: twm2912 = --_e3766bff-bd8d-4d25-aa71-679dc1ce703e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - what= are the hot topics that we will all be debating?
=3B
Innovation in the context of a Managed Service?
Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate?
Does institutional self evaluation work?
Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie?
=3B
What do we think colleagues?

Mark
http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912
http://blip.fm/twm2912
http://twit= ter.com/TWMarkChambers
Skype: twm2912

= --_e3766bff-bd8d-4d25-aa71-679dc1ce703e_-- From mberry@bcs.org Sat Jan 30 13:27:50 2010 From: mberry@bcs.org (Miles Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5946b8ad1001300527j3be0f893q593e9fa07cd09a1e@mail.gmail.com> --001485f7d91efaf84a047e61b7d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here are a few problems, not sure how many of these would be on others' lists though. Creating (or maintaining) a culture of innovation Authentically embedding ICT across the curriculum Personalising learning (including CPD) - choice and voice, including the informal What would an education system that made full use of ICT look like - would we need to build schools for the future? How can we do more and yet spend less? Best wishes, Miles. On 30 January 2010 12:23, Mark Chambers wrote: > Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - > what are the hot topics that we will all be debating? > > Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? > Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? > Does institutional self evaluation work? > Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? > > What do we think colleagues? > > Mark > http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 > http://blip.fm/twm2912 > http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers > Skype: twm2912 > > > > > > > -- Miles Berry Senior Lecturer, ICT | Roehampton University | roehampton.ac.uk | 0208 392 3241 Community Manager | Open Source Schools | opensourceschools.org.uk | 07779 628656 Blogger | milesberry.net Twit | twitter.com/mberry --001485f7d91efaf84a047e61b7d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are a few problems, not sure how many of these would be on others'= lists though.

Creating (or maintaining) a culture of innovation
= Authentically embedding ICT across the curriculum
Personalising learning= (including CPD) -=C2=A0 choice and voice, including the informal
What would an education system that made full use of ICT look like - would = we need to build schools for the future?
How can we do more and yet spen= d less?

Best wishes,
Miles.

On 30 January 2010 12:23, Mark Chambers <mark@thechambers.org.uk> wrote:=

Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - what= are the hot topics that we will all be debating?
=C2=A0
Innovation in the context of a Managed Service?
Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate?
Does institutional self evaluation work?
Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie?
=C2=A0
What do we think colleagues?

http://www.diigo.com/profil= e/twm2912
http://blip.fm/twm2912
http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers
Skype: twm2912

<= br>

--
Miles Berry
Senior L= ecturer, ICT | Roehampton University | = roehampton.ac.uk | 0208 392 3241
Community Manager | Open Source Sch= ools | opensourceschools.org.uk= | 07779 628656
Blogger | milesberry.net
Twit | twitter.com/mberry
--001485f7d91efaf84a047e61b7d7-- From csharples@gr8ict.com Sat Jan 30 17:24:54 2010 From: csharples@gr8ict.com (Chris Sharples) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:24:54 -0000 Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can the current assessment system cope with demonstrating gains in eLearning in the future? (Eportfolios anyone?) Chris www.gr8ict.com twitter/gr8ict.com > -----Original Message----- > From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Chambers > Sent: 30 January 2010 12:23 > To: Advisory Naace > Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics > > Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - > what are the hot topics that we will all be debating? > > Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? > Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? > Does institutional self evaluation work? > Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? > > What do we think colleagues? > > Mark > http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 > http://blip.fm/twm2912 > http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers > Skype: twm2912 > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 > 07:35:00 > From ianrlynch@googlemail.com Sun Jan 31 07:13:56 2010 From: ianrlynch@googlemail.com (Ian Lynch) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:13:56 +0000 Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Chris Sharples wrote: > Can the current assessment system cope with demonstrating gains in eLearning > in the future? Why shouldn't it? The current assessment system has the structure and capacity to to be adapted to almost any scenario you could think of in ICT (or any subject). If we take Web Software and Collaborative technologies units from the National Occupational Standards and integrate them into the NC POS and APP assessment, we can make qualifications that will track progress in the capability in using e-learning technologies as well as the processes and strands in information handling in the NC. This needs no more than configuring things in the National Frameworks as they exist to-day. The e-strategy concentrates a lot on an aspired end point of people using e-portfolios, learning platforms etc. Complex procurement frameworks and money for software abound but by comparison there is virtually no consideration given to developing people (learners and teachers) and the learning that needs to take place to enable success. All the structures are there, the question is how long it will take for lifelong learning to become a reality in enabling people to adapt to new ways of working. > (Eportfolios anyone?) I'd say we have to get people off the desktop for general productivity and on to the web before working habits change enough for routine use of e-portfolios and certainly if e-portfolios are to realise their potential in supporting the learning process. A long way to go and a lot of entrenchment and lock-in to the old paradigm in the UK at least. > > Chris > www.gr8ict.com > twitter/gr8ict.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] >> On Behalf Of Mark Chambers >> Sent: 30 January 2010 12:23 >> To: Advisory Naace >> Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics >> >> Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - >> what are the hot topics that we will all be debating? >> >> Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? >> Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? >> Does institutional self evaluation work? >> Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? >> >> What do we think colleagues? >> >> Mark >> http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 >> http://blip.fm/twm2912 >> http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers >> Skype: twm2912 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 >> 07:35:00 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Advisory mailing list Advisory@talk.naace.org http://talk.naace.org/mm/listinfo/advisory > To unsubscribe send a message to Advisory-admin@talk.naace.org with the body text: > > unsubscribe Advisory YourEmailAddress > > or: send a message to Advisory-request@talk.naace.org > with the body text: > > unsubscribe YourPassword YourEmailAddress > From rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk Sun Jan 31 12:46:04 2010 From: rjt@maximise-ict.co.uk (Ray Tolley) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:46:04 -0000 Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics - e-Portfolios In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001caa273$5b3e0390$11ba0ab0$@co.uk> Mark, Chris at al, As some of you know, anything to do with e-Portfolios is my full-time passion. I have almost 5,000 readers of my blog from 95 countries. It is a crying shame that Becta appear to have chickened out of anything to do with e-Portfolios since their initial 'expectation' some five years ago! I believe that people around the world are looking to the UK for realistic solutions. Whether or not a 'hot topic' for conference, I would really like to enter into a constructive dialogue with others about the place of the e-Portfolio in an environment where most schools have or expect to have good VLEs with remote access and on-line reporting etc. The papers written by the university researchers do not at present provide realistic models for mainstream education. The institutionalised e-Portfolios which show some real promise for some schools do not really meet the criteria of personal ownership and true portability. There is a need for an e-safe collaborative structure with which school leaders can feel comfortable. The various DIY versions of blogs and web-pages although technically interesting do not meet a number of significant criteria. Questions of management and interoperability need to be understood and resolved. I regularly attempt to discuss these questions on my blog: http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/ Ray Tolley� FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, ACQI, MBILD ICT Education Consultant Maximise ICT Ltd P:� http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/ B:� http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/ W:� http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009' -----Original Message----- From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sharples Sent: 30 January 2010 17:25 To: 'Mark Chambers'; 'Advisory Naace' Subject: RE: [Advisory] Hot topics Can the current assessment system cope with demonstrating gains in eLearning in the future? (Eportfolios anyone?) Chris www.gr8ict.com twitter/gr8ict.com > -----Original Message----- > From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Chambers > Sent: 30 January 2010 12:23 > To: Advisory Naace > Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics > > Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - > what are the hot topics that we will all be debating? > > Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? > Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? > Does institutional self evaluation work? > Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? > > What do we think colleagues? > > Mark > http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 > http://blip.fm/twm2912 > http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers > Skype: twm2912 > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 > 07:35:00 > _______________________________________________ Advisory mailing list Advisory@talk.naace.org http://talk.naace.org/mm/listinfo/advisory To unsubscribe send a message to Advisory-admin@talk.naace.org with the body text: unsubscribe Advisory YourEmailAddress or: send a message to Advisory-request@talk.naace.org with the body text: unsubscribe YourPassword YourEmailAddress From ianrlynch@googlemail.com Sun Jan 31 23:12:24 2010 From: ianrlynch@googlemail.com (Ian Lynch) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:12:24 +0000 Subject: [Secondary] RE: [Advisory] Hot topics - e-Portfolios In-Reply-To: <000001caa273$5b3e0390$11ba0ab0$@co.uk> References: <000001caa273$5b3e0390$11ba0ab0$@co.uk> Message-ID: When we stop focusing on buying technologies and worrying about procurement frameworks and we start promoting learning through the use of collaborative technologies displacing three part lessons delivered from the front of the class, we might make quicker progress. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ray Tolley wrote: > Mark, Chris at al, > > As some of you know, anything to do with e-Portfolios is my full-time > passion. �I have almost 5,000 readers of my blog from 95 countries. > > It is a crying shame that Becta appear to have chickened out of anything to > do with e-Portfolios since their initial 'expectation' some five years ago! > I believe that people around the world are looking to the UK for realistic > solutions. > > Whether or not a 'hot topic' for conference, I would really like to enter > into a constructive dialogue with others about the place of the e-Portfolio > in an environment where most schools have or expect to have good VLEs with > remote access and on-line reporting etc. > > The papers written by the university researchers do not at present provide > realistic models for mainstream education. �The institutionalised > e-Portfolios which show some real promise for some schools do not really > meet the criteria of personal ownership and true portability. �There is a > need for an e-safe collaborative structure with which school leaders can > feel comfortable. �The various DIY versions of blogs and web-pages although > technically interesting do not meet a number of significant criteria. > Questions of management and interoperability need to be understood and > resolved. > > I regularly attempt to discuss these questions on my blog: > http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/ > > Ray Tolley� FEIDCT, NAACE Fellow, ACQI, MBILD > ICT Education Consultant > Maximise ICT Ltd > P:� http://raytolley.v2efolioworld.mnscu.edu/ > B:� http://www.efoliointheuk.blogspot.com/ > W:� http://www.maximise-ict.co.uk/eFolio-01.htm > Winner of the IMS 'Leadership Regional Award 2009' > > -----Original Message----- > From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] > On Behalf Of Chris Sharples > Sent: 30 January 2010 17:25 > To: 'Mark Chambers'; 'Advisory Naace' > Subject: RE: [Advisory] Hot topics > > Can the current assessment system cope with demonstrating gains in eLearning > in the future? > > (Eportfolios anyone?) > > Chris > www.gr8ict.com > twitter/gr8ict.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org] >> On Behalf Of Mark Chambers >> Sent: 30 January 2010 12:23 >> To: Advisory Naace >> Subject: [Advisory] Hot topics >> >> Given the opportunity and 300 of us together at Strategic Conference - >> what are the hot topics that we will all be debating? >> >> Innovation in the context of a Managed Service? >> Sustainablee ICT in the current financial climate? >> Does institutional self evaluation work? >> Network security/Child safety - where should the balance lie? >> >> What do we think colleagues? >> >> Mark >> http://www.diigo.com/profile/twm2912 >> http://blip.fm/twm2912 >> http://twitter.com/TWMarkChambers >> Skype: twm2912 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2657 - Release Date: 01/30/10 >> 07:35:00 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Advisory mailing list Advisory@talk.naace.org > http://talk.naace.org/mm/listinfo/advisory > To unsubscribe send a message to Advisory-admin@talk.naace.org with the body > text: > > unsubscribe Advisory YourEmailAddress > > or: send a message to Advisory-request@talk.naace.org > with the body text: > > unsubscribe YourPassword YourEmailAddress > > > _______________________________________________ > Secondary mailing list Secondary@talk.naace.org http://talk.naace.org/mm/listinfo/secondary > To unsubscribe send a message to Secondary-admin@talk.naace.org with the body text: > > unsubscribe Secondary YourEmailAddress > > or: send a message to Secondary-request@talk.naace.org > with the body text: > > unsubscribe YourPassword YourEmailAddress >