[Advisory] Re: [Primary] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on
Copyright and Education
Neil Adam
neil@beaconict.co.uk
Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:40:39 +0000
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Hi Ian
One of the great things CC has going for it (as well as licence terms) is
the simple system of badges/flags that people can attach to their work
One of reasons (and it may not be greatest) that people ride rough-shod over
copyright is that they haven't a clue what the license really means. Equally
true of music, literature, software EULAs, video etc.
It won't solve the copyright problem, but if there were a set of (say) five
simple badges at least people might understand (or be without excuse)
Neil
Neil Adam
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On 11 February 2010 12:44, <ian.lynch@theingots.org> wrote:
>
> > The only answer is to turn the copyright legislation on its head and
> > to state very clearly that material that is not provided with
> > appropriate copyright for use in education, will be completely ignored
> > by educators and learners. It is time for the users to set copyright
> > terms, not the suppliers.
>
> I think we need to start teaching about copyright and associated licensing
> much more explicitly. It is the license that really is the issue. Creative
> Commons is a well established system for licensing things with varying
> degrees of restriction. Share-alike does what it says on the tin.
>
> > The terms and conditions that you come across in many web resources
> > are completely unworkable for schools and learners. Try looking at a
> > few. There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier end, it
> > will have to be resolved from the user end.
>
> If the license issued by the owner of the copyright is restrictive,
> legally there is nothing end users can do - except not use the products
> and look for products that have appropriate licenses.
>
> For instance, LT Scotland
> > DICTATE what the copyright terms and conditions will be for things
> > they licence nationally. The whole education community should do
> > similarly.
>
> Well, the government could have said it would only accept liberally
> licensed stuff for Curriculum on-line but it didn't. Government can put
> pressure on copyright holders but it can't force them to produce stuff
> under any particular license.
>
> > There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that matter:
> >
> > - you can look at it but not do anything else with it.
> >
> > - you can copy and re-purpose it within the defined community of a an
> > educational institution (but the community of the institution can only
> > be defined by the institution itself)
> >
> > - it is creative commons and you can copy and re-purpose it to your
> > heart's content provided source is acknowledged.
>
> Creative Commons licenses are not just as defined above, there are a range
> of CC licenses to suit different circumstances.
>
> The INGOT community site generally uses CC Share alike explanation here
> might help people new to copyright http://theingots.org/community/legal
>
>
>
> > Roger.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo kuechel wrote:
> >
> >> Paul, Colleagues;
> >>
> >> This is very timely, urgent and probably of greater significance
> >> than the many technologies we often discuss, (including iPads,
> >> Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 applications or VLEs); the outcomes
> >> of this consultation are likely to determine how we are allowed to
> >> use our digital tools, access digital content and by default,
> >> determine the opportunities we afford our learners. These outcomes
> >> will shape the future culture of learning for the foreseeable future
> >> and permeate all educational uses of ICT including distance
> >> learning, mobile technologies, student work in digital format and
> >> the sharing and development of teacher created resources.
> >>
> >> Having read Marshall's synopsis and then the re-read the documents
> >> it appears there is some urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has
> >> created a copy of Gower's recommendations for educational exceptions
> >> here, to which we can add comments /annotations. Please email Leon
> >> for access.
> >>
> >> It think is important we have that debate and I personally look
> >> forward to reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as you
> >> suggest, we can start to develop a Naace response. I am surprised
> >> there is no Naace working group on this?
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Theo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul Springford
> >> <paul.springford@naace.org> wrote:
> >> Colleagues
> >>
> >> Many of you will already have read in the latest Naace newsletter
> >> Marshal Mateer's article about an important consultation with
> >> implications for UK schools. Did you already know about the
> >> Intellectual Property Office (IPO), "the official government body
> >> responsible for granting Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the
> >> United Kingdom"? Possibly not. It's their consultation and it deals
> >> in part with copyright in education in a digital age.
> >>
> >> We firmly expect that members will wish to discuss the implications
> >> for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are looking for a
> >> volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the basis of a
> >> Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to
> >> paul.springford@naace.co.uk
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Theo Kuechel
> >> Learning Technology Research
> >> theo.kuechel@gmail.com
> >> T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi Ian<div><br></div><div>One of the great things CC has going for it (as w=
ell as licence terms) is the simple system of badges/flags that people can =
attach to their work</div><div><br></div><div>One of reasons (and it may no=
t be greatest) that people ride rough-shod over copyright is that they have=
n't a clue what the license really means. Equally true of music, litera=
ture, software EULAs, video etc.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It won't solve the copyright problem, but if there =
were a set of (say) five simple badges at least people might understand (or=
be without excuse)</div><div><br></div><div>Neil<br clear=3D"all"><br>Neil=
Adam<br>
Beacon ICT<br>Twitter: @NeilAdam<br><a href=3D"http://www.beaconict.co.uk">=
www.beaconict.co.uk</a> <br><br>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>122 Beacon Road, Broadstairs, Kent CT10 3DQ<br>Mob=
ile 07720 288540<br>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br><br>Ple=
ase note: =A0This email and any attachments are intended only for those in =
the address list above. If it has come to you by mistake, please let me kno=
w, delete the message and any attachments, and please do not forward the ma=
terial to anyone else.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 11 February 2010 12:44, <span dir=3D=
"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ian.lynch@theingots.org">ian.lynch@theingots.or=
g</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
> The only answer is to turn the copyright legislation on its head and<b=
r>
> to state very clearly that material that is not provided with<br>
> appropriate copyright for use in education, will be completely ignored=
<br>
> by educators and learners. It is time for the users to set copyright<b=
r>
> terms, not the suppliers.<br>
<br>
I think we need to start teaching about copyright and associated licensing<=
br>
much more explicitly. It is the license that really is the issue. Creative<=
br>
Commons is a well established system for licensing things with varying<br>
degrees of restriction. Share-alike does what it says on the tin.<br>
<br>
> The terms and conditions that you come across in many web resources<br=
>
> are completely unworkable for schools and learners. Try looking at a<b=
r>
> few. There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier end, it<br=
>
> will have to be resolved from the user end.<br>
<br>
If the license issued by the owner of the copyright is restrictive,<br>
legally there is nothing end users can do - except not use the products<br>
and look for products that have appropriate licenses.<br>
<br>
=A0For instance, LT Scotland<br>
> DICTATE what the copyright terms and conditions will be for things<br>
> they licence nationally. The whole education community should do<br>
> similarly.<br>
<br>
Well, the government could have said it would only accept liberally<br>
licensed stuff for Curriculum on-line but it didn't. Government can put=
<br>
pressure on copyright holders but it can't force them to produce stuff<=
br>
under any particular license.<br>
<br>
> There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that matter:<br>
><br>
> - you can look at it but not do anything else with it.<br>
><br>
> - you can copy and re-purpose it within the defined community of a an<=
br>
> educational institution (but the community of the institution can only=
<br>
> be defined by the institution itself)<br>
><br>
> - it is creative commons and you can copy and re-purpose it to your<br=
>
> heart's content provided source is acknowledged.<br>
<br>
Creative Commons licenses are not just as defined above, there are a range<=
br>
of CC licenses to suit different circumstances.<br>
<br>
The INGOT community site generally uses CC Share alike explanation here<br>
might help people new to copyright <a href=3D"http://theingots.org/communit=
y/legal" target=3D"_blank">http://theingots.org/community/legal</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Roger.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo kuechel wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Paul, Colleagues;<br>
>><br>
>> This is very timely, urgent and probably of greater significance<b=
r>
>> than the many technologies we often discuss, (including =A0iPads,<=
br>
>> Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 applications or VLEs); the outcom=
es<br>
>> of this consultation are likely to determine how we are allowed to=
<br>
>> use our digital tools, access digital content and by default,<br>
>> determine the opportunities we afford our learners. These outcomes=
<br>
>> will shape the future culture of learning for the foreseeable futu=
re<br>
>> and permeate all educational uses of ICT including distance<br>
>> learning, mobile technologies, student work in digital format and<=
br>
>> the sharing and development of teacher created resources.<br>
>><br>
>> Having read Marshall's synopsis and then the re-read the docum=
ents<br>
>> it appears there is some urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has<br>
>> created a copy of Gower's recommendations for educational exce=
ptions<br>
>> here, to which we can add comments /annotations. Please email Leon=
<br>
>> for access.<br>
>><br>
>> It =A0think is important we have that debate and I personally look=
<br>
>> forward to reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as yo=
u<br>
>> suggest, we can start to develop a Naace response. I am surprised<=
br>
>> there is no Naace working group on this?<br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>> Theo<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul Springford<br>
>> <<a href=3D"mailto:paul.springford@naace.org">paul.springford@n=
aace.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Colleagues<br>
>><br>
>> Many of you will already have read in the latest Naace newsletter<=
br>
>> Marshal Mateer's article about an important consultation with<=
br>
>> implications for UK schools. Did you already know about the<br>
>> Intellectual Property Office (IPO), "the official government =
body<br>
>> responsible for granting Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the<=
br>
>> United Kingdom"? Possibly not. It's their consultation an=
d it deals<br>
>> in part with copyright in education in a digital age.<br>
>><br>
>> We firmly expect that members will wish to discuss the implication=
s<br>
>> for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are looking for=
a<br>
>> volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the basis of =
a<br>
>> Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to<br>
>> <a href=3D"mailto:paul.springford@naace.co.uk">paul.springford@naa=
ce.co.uk</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Theo Kuechel<br>
>> Learning Technology Research<br>
>> <a href=3D"mailto:theo.kuechel@gmail.com">theo.kuechel@gmail.com</=
a><br>
>> <a href=3D"mailto:T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk">T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk</a><b=
r>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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