[Advisory] Re: [Primary] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and Education
Leon Cych
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Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:22:49 +0000 (GMT)
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There is the CC-Learn Licenses http://learn.creativecommons.org/
Leon Cych
--- On Thu, 11/2/10, Neil Adam <neil@beaconict.co.uk> wrote:
From: Neil Adam <neil@beaconict.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Advisory] Re: [Primary] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on C=
opyright and Education
To: "ian.lynch" <ian.lynch@theingots.org>
Cc: "Advisory talk" <advisory@talk.naace.org>
Date: Thursday, 11 February, 2010, 13:40
Hi Ian
One of the great things CC has going for it (as well as licence terms) is t=
he simple system of badges/flags that people can attach to their work
One of reasons (and it may not be greatest) that people ride rough-shod ove=
r copyright is that they haven't a clue what the license really means. Equa=
lly true of music, literature, software EULAs, video etc.=0A
It won't solve the copyright problem, but if there were a set of (say) five=
simple badges at least people might understand (or be without excuse)
Neil
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On 11 February 2010 12:44, <ian.lynch@theingots.org> wrote:
=0A
=0A> The only answer is to turn the copyright legislation on its head and
=0A> to state very clearly that material that is not provided with
=0A> appropriate copyright for use in education, will be completely ignored
=0A> by educators and learners. It is time for the users to set copyright
=0A> terms, not the suppliers.
=0A
=0AI think we need to start teaching about copyright and associated licensi=
ng
=0Amuch more explicitly. It is the license that really is the issue. Creati=
ve
=0ACommons is a well established system for licensing things with varying
=0Adegrees of restriction. Share-alike does what it says on the tin.
=0A
=0A> The terms and conditions that you come across in many web resources
=0A> are completely unworkable for schools and learners. Try looking at a
=0A> few. There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier end, it
=0A> will have to be resolved from the user end.
=0A
=0AIf the license issued by the owner of the copyright is restrictive,
=0Alegally there is nothing end users can do - except not use the products
=0Aand look for products that have appropriate licenses.
=0A
=0A=A0For instance, LT Scotland
=0A> DICTATE what the copyright terms and conditions will be for things
=0A> they licence nationally. The whole education community should do
=0A> similarly.
=0A
=0AWell, the government could have said it would only accept liberally
=0Alicensed stuff for Curriculum on-line but it didn't. Government can put
=0Apressure on copyright holders but it can't force them to produce stuff
=0Aunder any particular license.
=0A
=0A> There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that matter:
=0A>
=0A> - you can look at it but not do anything else with it.
=0A>
=0A> - you can copy and re-purpose it within the defined community of a an
=0A> educational institution (but the community of the institution can only
=0A> be defined by the institution itself)
=0A>
=0A> - it is creative commons and you can copy and re-purpose it to your
=0A> heart's content provided source is acknowledged.
=0A
=0ACreative Commons licenses are not just as defined above, there are a ran=
ge
=0Aof CC licenses to suit different circumstances.
=0A
=0AThe INGOT community site generally uses CC Share alike explanation here
=0Amight help people new to copyright http://theingots.org/community/legal
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A> Roger.
=0A>
=0A>
=0A>
=0A>
=0A> On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo kuechel wrote:
=0A>
=0A>> Paul, Colleagues;
=0A>>
=0A>> This is very timely, urgent and probably of greater significance
=0A>> than the many technologies we often discuss, (including =A0iPads,
=0A>> Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 applications or VLEs); the outcomes
=0A>> of this consultation are likely to determine how we are allowed to
=0A>> use our digital tools, access digital content and by default,
=0A>> determine the opportunities we afford our learners. These outcomes
=0A>> will shape the future culture of learning for the foreseeable future
=0A>> and permeate all educational uses of ICT including distance
=0A>> learning, mobile technologies, student work in digital format and
=0A>> the sharing and development of teacher created resources.
=0A>>
=0A>> Having read Marshall's synopsis and then the re-read the documents
=0A>> it appears there is some urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has
=0A>> created a copy of Gower's recommendations for educational exceptions
=0A>> here, to which we can add comments /annotations. Please email Leon
=0A>> for access.
=0A>>
=0A>> It =A0think is important we have that debate and I personally look
=0A>> forward to reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as you
=0A>> suggest, we can start to develop a Naace response. I am surprised
=0A>> there is no Naace working group on this?
=0A>>
=0A>> Best
=0A>> Theo
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>> On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul Springford
=0A>> <paul.springford@naace.org> wrote:
=0A>> Colleagues
=0A>>
=0A>> Many of you will already have read in the latest Naace newsletter
=0A>> Marshal Mateer's article about an important consultation with
=0A>> implications for UK schools. Did you already know about the
=0A>> Intellectual Property Office (IPO), "the official government body
=0A>> responsible for granting Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the
=0A>> United Kingdom"? Possibly not. It's their consultation and it deals
=0A>> in part with copyright in education in a digital age.
=0A>>
=0A>> We firmly expect that members will wish to discuss the implications
=0A>> for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are looking for a
=0A>> volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the basis of a
=0A>> Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to
=0A>> paul.springford@naace.co.uk
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>> --
=0A>> Theo Kuechel
=0A>> Learning Technology Research
=0A>> theo.kuechel@gmail.com
=0A>> T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk
=0A>>
=0A>>
=0A>
=0A>
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;">There is the CC-Learn Licenses http://learn.c=
reativecommons.org/<br><br>Leon Cych<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 11/2/10, Neil Ad=
am <i><neil@beaconict.co.uk></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"b=
order-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px=
;"><br>From: Neil Adam <neil@beaconict.co.uk><br>Subject: Re: [Adviso=
ry] Re: [Primary] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and Educati=
on<br>To: "ian.lynch" <ian.lynch@theingots.org><br>Cc: "Advisory talk=
" <advisory@talk.naace.org><br>Date: Thursday, 11 February, 2010, 13:=
40<br><br><div id=3D"yiv1637645033">Hi Ian<div><br></div><div>One of the gr=
eat things CC has going for it (as well as licence terms) is the simple sys=
tem of badges/flags that people can attach to their work</div><div><br></di=
v><div>One of reasons (and it may not be greatest) that people ride rough-s=
hod
over copyright is that they haven't a clue what the license really means. =
Equally true of music, literature, software EULAs, video etc.</div>=0A<div>=
<br></div><div>It won't solve the copyright problem, but if there were a se=
t of (say) five simple badges at least people might understand (or be witho=
ut excuse)</div><div><br></div><div>Neil<br clear=3D"all"><br>Neil Adam<br>=
=0ABeacon ICT<br>Twitter: @NeilAdam<br><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"http://www.beaconict.co.uk">www.beaconict.co.uk</a> <br><br>~~~~~=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>122 Beacon R=
oad, Broadstairs, Kent CT10 3DQ<br>Mobile 07720 288540<br>=0A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br><br>Please note: &nbs=
p;This email and any attachments are intended only for those in the address=
list above. If it has come to you by mistake, please let me know, delete t=
he message and any attachments, and please do not forward the material to a=
nyone else.<br>=0A=0A<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 11 February 2010=
12:44, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:ian.ly=
nch@theingots.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dian.lynch@the=
ingots.org">ian.lynch@theingots.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); mar=
gin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">=0A<br>=0A> The only answer =
is to turn the copyright legislation on its head and<br>=0A> to state ve=
ry clearly that material that is not provided with<br>=0A> appropriate c=
opyright for use in education, will be completely ignored<br>=0A> by edu=
cators and learners. It is time for the users to set copyright<br>=0A> t=
erms, not the suppliers.<br>=0A<br>=0AI think we need to start teaching abo=
ut copyright and associated licensing<br>=0Amuch more explicitly. It is the=
license that really is the issue. Creative<br>=0ACommons is a well establi=
shed system for licensing things with varying<br>=0Adegrees of restriction.=
Share-alike does what it says on the tin.<br>=0A<br>=0A> The terms and =
conditions that you come across in many web resources<br>=0A> are comple=
tely unworkable for schools and learners. Try looking at a<br>=0A> few. =
There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier end, it<br>=0A> w=
ill have to be resolved from the user end.<br>=0A<br>=0AIf the license issu=
ed by the owner of the copyright is restrictive,<br>=0Alegally there is not=
hing end users can do - except not use the products<br>=0Aand look for prod=
ucts that have appropriate licenses.<br>=0A<br>=0A For instance, LT Sc=
otland<br>=0A> DICTATE what the copyright terms and conditions will be f=
or things<br>=0A> they licence nationally. The whole education community=
should do<br>=0A> similarly.<br>=0A<br>=0AWell, the government could ha=
ve said it would only accept liberally<br>=0Alicensed stuff for Curriculum =
on-line but it didn't. Government can put<br>=0Apressure on copyright holde=
rs but it can't force them to produce stuff<br>=0Aunder any particular lice=
nse.<br>=0A<br>=0A> There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that ma=
tter:<br>=0A><br>=0A> - you can look at it but not do anything else w=
ith it.<br>=0A><br>=0A> - you can copy and re-purpose it within the d=
efined community of a an<br>=0A> educational institution (but the commun=
ity of the institution can only<br>=0A> be defined by the institution it=
self)<br>=0A><br>=0A> - it is creative commons and you can copy and r=
e-purpose it to your<br>=0A> heart's content provided source is acknowle=
dged.<br>=0A<br>=0ACreative Commons licenses are not just as defined above,=
there are a range<br>=0Aof CC licenses to suit different circumstances.<br=
>=0A<br>=0AThe INGOT community site generally uses CC Share alike explanati=
on here<br>=0Amight help people new to copyright <a rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://theingots.org/community/legal">http://theingots.=
org/community/legal</a><br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A> Roger.<br>=0A><b=
r>=0A><br>=0A><br>=0A><br>=0A> On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo k=
uechel wrote:<br>=0A><br>=0A>> Paul, Colleagues;<br>=0A>><br=
>=0A>> This is very timely, urgent and probably of greater significan=
ce<br>=0A>> than the many technologies we often discuss, (including &=
nbsp;iPads,<br>=0A>> Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 applications or=
VLEs); the outcomes<br>=0A>> of this consultation are likely to dete=
rmine how we are allowed to<br>=0A>> use our digital tools, access di=
gital content and by default,<br>=0A>> determine the opportunities we=
afford our learners. These outcomes<br>=0A>> will shape the future c=
ulture of learning for the foreseeable future<br>=0A>> and permeate a=
ll educational uses of ICT including distance<br>=0A>> learning, mobi=
le technologies, student work in digital format and<br>=0A>> the shar=
ing and development of teacher created resources.<br>=0A>><br>=0A>=
> Having read Marshall's synopsis and then the re-read the documents<br>=
=0A>> it appears there is some urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has<=
br>=0A>> created a copy of Gower's recommendations for educational ex=
ceptions<br>=0A>> here, to which we can add comments /annotations. Pl=
ease email Leon<br>=0A>> for access.<br>=0A>><br>=0A>> It=
think is important we have that debate and I personally look<br>=0A&=
gt;> forward to reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as you=
<br>=0A>> suggest, we can start to develop a Naace response. I am sur=
prised<br>=0A>> there is no Naace working group on this?<br>=0A>&g=
t;<br>=0A>> Best<br>=0A>> Theo<br>=0A>><br>=0A>><br=
>=0A>><br>=0A>><br>=0A>> On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul S=
pringford<br>=0A>> <<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:paul.spr=
ingford@naace.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dpaul.springfo=
rd@naace.org">paul.springford@naace.org</a>> wrote:<br>=0A>> Colle=
agues<br>=0A>><br>=0A>> Many of you will already have read in t=
he latest Naace newsletter<br>=0A>> Marshal Mateer's article about an=
important consultation with<br>=0A>> implications for UK schools. Di=
d you already know about the<br>=0A>> Intellectual Property Office (I=
PO), "the official government body<br>=0A>> responsible for granting =
Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the<br>=0A>> United Kingdom"? Po=
ssibly not. It's their consultation and it deals<br>=0A>> in part wit=
h copyright in education in a digital age.<br>=0A>><br>=0A>> We=
firmly expect that members will wish to discuss the implications<br>=0A>=
;> for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are looking for a<=
br>=0A>> volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the bas=
is of a<br>=0A>> Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to<br>=
=0A>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:paul.springford@naace.co.=
uk" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dpaul.springford@naace.co.uk"=
>paul.springford@naace.co.uk</a><br>=0A>><br>=0A>><br>=0A>&g=
t;<br>=0A>> --<br>=0A>> Theo Kuechel<br>=0A>> Learning Te=
chnology Research<br>=0A>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:theo=
.kuechel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compose?to=3Dtheo.kuechel=
@gmail.com">theo.kuechel@gmail.com</a><br>=0A>> <a rel=3D"nofollow" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"/mc/compos=
e?to=3DT.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk">T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk</a><br>=0A>><br>=0A=
>><br>=0A><br>=0A><br>=0A<br>=0A<br>=0A________________________=
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