[Advisory] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and Education
Roger Broadie
Roger@BroadieAssociates.co.uk
Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:18:04 +0000
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Crispin,
Apologies for taking some time to get to replying to your email.
Education dictating copyright terms is certainly NOT code for 'ignore =20=
copyright'. Exactly the opposite in fact, it means assuming everything =20=
is copyright and that it is necessary to positively determine what the =20=
Terms and Conditions (Ts&Cs) for usage are.
The point I am making is that the whole concept of 'educational =20
exceptions' is broken and cannot be mended. Even if we engaged fully =20
in debate of the Gower recommendations and the consultation it would =20
not be possible to agree limits on where things could be accessed, by =20=
who, or what materials are included or not included. The net result =20
would be that any school relying on educational exceptions to justify =20=
how content is being used digitally by their community will end up =20
hopelessly confused. It's just unworkable. We could engage with this =20
until the end of eternity and still get no result.
A little story - a big museum set up a nice project, whereby kids =20
could borrow mobile phones and as they went round the museum could =20
take pictures of things they found particularly interesting and could =20=
then upload these into online galleries being run by the museum, that =20=
the kids could then access when back in school. But the project ran =20
into a roadblock when they realised that they had some things in the =20=
museum that were on loan and not owned by themselves, and the terms of =20=
the loan did not permit photography of the object, let alone the =20
making and copying of digital copies.
At some point in the near future kids in schools are going to be =20
permitted to use their phones to capture images - how many company =20
meetings have you been in where taking pictures of the whiteboard at =20
the end of a discussion is just normal practice. Even the builder =20
putting in our loft conversion is now taking pictures of things to =20
show us. So if they are using some content in class and need to be =20
able to look at it again at home, they will copy it. Moral for the =20
school - don't have any content in use that cannot be used in this way =20=
and make sure the kids also know the Ts&Cs (probably 'can be used by =20
you and on the school platform, can't be put on the Internet or copied =20=
to others).
I believe we should be saying to this consultation:
- Educational exceptions to copyright will no longer work for schools, =20=
because they cannot be limited in space or to what materials are =20
digitised, given that we are way past the point when digitising =20
devices and spread of content around networks and the Internet can be =20=
controlled by a responsible organisation, and the people it is =20
necessary to engage in collaborative learning cannot be limited to =20
single defined institutions and people who are bone-fide members of =20
those institutions.
- Schools should therefore rely not on exceptions, but on positive =20
determination of the copyright terms and conditions that apply to the =20=
content they wish to use.
- For education and learning in the digital age, there is a clear need =20=
for as much content as possible to be covered by creative commons =20
Ts&Cs, so that it can be used as widely as possible, collaboratively, =20=
and re-purposed to aid learning. The amount of this content will =20
continue to grow exponentially, worldwide, as more and more educators =20=
and learners become content creators.
- Copyright holders will then have to decide for themselves what they =20=
have that has value beyond the creative commons content available, and =20=
whether they are going to adopt copyright Ts&Cs that help educators to =20=
use their content, both with regard to how the content can be used and =20=
to the complexity for the organisation in understanding and managing =20
the copyright Ts&Cs. (I have seen museum Ts&Cs that run to 12 pages!) =20=
To help this process some simple, single page exemplar Ts&Cs for =20
education purchasers should be produced. The whole issue of digital =20
rights management would also come in here - if content owners demand =20
DRM and that makes their content unusable by schools and their =20
communities, then so be it.
- Similarly, organisations such as the Copyright Licensing Authority =20
will have to decide if they can make a business by coordinating the =20
copyright Ts&Cs of a range of defined content providers, in a way =20
that will stimulate educational use and hence a financial return to =20
the content owners, that the owners could not themselves achieve by =20
selling to schools directly.
Then as clarity appears as to what content schools can and cannot =20
afford to use, without reliance on 'educational exceptions', there =20
will be a clear message for government that if some content is =20
critical for education and is not being made available for educators =20
and learners to use, in learning-effective, manageable and affordable =20=
ways, then national action will need to be taken to make such content =20=
available.
Roger.
On 11 Feb 2010, at 10:04, Crispin Weston wrote:
> Roger,
>
> I agree with you on the underlying problem =96 but I am not so sure =20=
> that I agree with your view of the solution.
>
> The reason why Gower focuses on interactive whiteboards (from our =20
> point of view, maybe somewhat perversely) is that Gower is assuming =20=
> that something displayed on an IWB is not then going out of the room =20=
> =96 it is a plenary display device with a clear boundary to the group =20=
> of people who are accessing it. This replicates the conditions which =20=
> applied to the display of video in classrooms and (on the basis of =20
> low and rapidly deteriorating quality) to the distribution of =20
> photocopied hand-outs.
>
> I do not agree with you that the supplier should now dictate =20
> copyright terms (this is really code for =93ignore copyright=94). The =20=
> much touted view that the internet was going to end intellectual =20
> property is untrue, for reasons: (a) =96 technically, because =20
> publishers are increasingly putting in place DRM protection, (b) =20
> because the law is still the law and from time to time very =20
> significant damages are still awarded against file sharers, and (c) =20=
> =96 in principle, because undermining IP would be a disaster which =20
> would bring innovation to a screaming halt.
>
> That is not to say that people, using e.g. creative commons, may =20
> elect to give up their IP if they are able to earn their living some =20=
> other way (e.g. by occupying a salaried position or by offering =20
> advertising or support services) =96 and this might be a very =20
> appropriate model for UGC. But the vast majority of businesses still =20=
> need to charge for the services they provide in one way or another =96 =
=20
> and we need the involvement of industry if we are going to get =20
> access to genuinely innovative products and content.
>
> The other issue with the educational exceptions is the definition of =20=
> the material which is affected =96 something like =93literary, =
dramatic =20
> or musical works=94 i.e. educational content is not included. If it =20=
> were, then all educational publishers would be put out of business =20
> overnight. In other words, the educational exceptions only affect =20
> material where education is a tangential and unimportant source of =20
> income to the rights holder.
>
> In this respect, we have to question the distinction (which in this =20=
> context becomes very important) between educational and non-=20
> educational content. We are no longer going to distribute a =20
> photocopy of Macbeth (literary, not educational) and then have a =20
> chat about it (educational but not replicable) =96 we are going to =20
> suck in a digital version of Macbeth, probably combined with some =20
> videos of the latest RSC production (commercial/dramatic) and =20
> comments from other teachers (UGC), into an educational software =20
> programme (commercial educational). The boundaries starts to become =20=
> very complex.
>
> So I have two overall comments on Gower:
>
> 1) educational exceptions can be applied fairly easily to what I =20
> would call =93plenary displays=94 (IWBs and visualisers).
>
> 2) I am less sure about =93distance learning=94, which is really a =20
> synonym for the internet. Even if the VLE is secure, you cannot then =20=
> stop the material being copied by students into non-secure =20
> environments. =46rom hereon in, educational exceptions are =20
> insufficient without a technical component. We must look to DRM =20
> solutions which place a reliable =93wall=94 around educational use and =
=20
> can seamlessly handle the authorisation of non-educational content =20
> within complex orchestrations of different types of content.
>
> Crispin.
>
> PS. you need to send an email to Leon, who will give you access to =20
> the document.
>
>
> From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org =
[mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org=20
> ] On Behalf Of Roger Broadie
> Sent: 11 February 2010 09:00
> To: theo kuechel
> Cc: beyond@talk.naace.org; primary@talk.naace.org; secondary; =20
> Advisory talk
> Subject: [Advisory] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and =20=
> Education
>
>
>
> Theo,
>
> First of all, I cannot access Gower's recommendations for =20
> educational exceptions, I can't get at it through my usual Google =20
> docs logon. Please advise.
>
> However, I will be extremely surprised if ANY educational exceptions =20=
> will deal with the situation we now find ourselves in. This is =20
> because the concept of 'educational use' was single person use for =20
> their own study, whereas education use now largely means copying and =20=
> re-purposing for access by others who will collaboratively reflect =20
> upon what the learner has done and provide afl feedback. There is no =20=
> substantive difference between this and publishing.
>
> It is also almost impossible to limit use to 'use within an =20
> educational institution' because that must now mean use online by =20
> the community of people involved with promoting learning in the =20
> institution, and where does that stop? Does it include Granny who =20
> lives in New Zealand and the partner school in Mexico?
>
>
> The only answer is to turn the copyright legislation on its head and =20=
> to state very clearly that material that is not provided with =20
> appropriate copyright for use in education, will be completely =20
> ignored by educators and learners. It is time for the users to set =20
> copyright terms, not the suppliers.
>
> The terms and conditions that you come across in many web resources =20=
> are completely unworkable for schools and learners. Try looking at a =20=
> few. There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier end, it =20=
> will have to be resolved from the user end. For instance, LT =20
> Scotland DICTATE what the copyright terms and conditions will be for =20=
> things they licence nationally. The whole education community should =20=
> do similarly.
>
> There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that matter:
>
> - you can look at it but not do anything else with it.
>
> - you can copy and re-purpose it within the defined community of a =20
> an educational institution (but the community of the institution can =20=
> only be defined by the institution itself)
>
> - it is creative commons and you can copy and re-purpose it to your =20=
> heart's content provided source is acknowledged.
>
> Roger.
>
>
>
>
> On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo kuechel wrote:
>
>
> Paul, Colleagues;
>
> This is very timely, urgent and probably of greater significance =20
> than the many technologies we often discuss, (including iPads, =20
> Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 applications or VLEs); the outcomes =20=
> of this consultation are likely to determine how we are allowed to =20
> use our digital tools, access digital content and by default, =20
> determine the opportunities we afford our learners. These outcomes =20
> will shape the future culture of learning for the foreseeable future =20=
> and permeate all educational uses of ICT including distance =20
> learning, mobile technologies, student work in digital format and =20
> the sharing and development of teacher created resources.
>
> Having read Marshall's synopsis and then the re-read the documents =20
> it appears there is some urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has =20
> created a copy of Gower's recommendations for educational exceptions =20=
> here, to which we can add comments /annotations. Please email Leon =20
> for access.
>
> It think is important we have that debate and I personally look =20
> forward to reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as you =20=
> suggest, we can start to develop a Naace response. I am surprised =20
> there is no Naace working group on this?
>
> Best
> Theo
>
>
>
>
> On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul Springford =20
> <paul.springford@naace.org> wrote:
> Colleagues
>
> Many of you will already have read in the latest Naace newsletter =20
> Marshal Mateer's article about an important consultation with =20
> implications for UK schools. Did you already know about the =20
> Intellectual Property Office (IPO), "the official government body =20
> responsible for granting Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the =20
> United Kingdom"? Possibly not. It's their consultation and it deals =20=
> in part with copyright in education in a digital age.
>
> We firmly expect that members will wish to discuss the implications =20=
> for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are looking for a =20=
> volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the basis of a =20=
> Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to =
paul.springford@naace.co.uk
>
>
>
> --=20
> Theo Kuechel
> Learning Technology Research
> theo.kuechel@gmail.com
> T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk
>
>
>
Roger Broadie,
Director,
Broadie Associates
http://www.BroadieAssociates.co.uk
Roger@BroadieAssociates.co.uk
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"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Crispin,</div><div><br></div><div>Apo=
logies for taking some time to get to replying to your =
email.</div><div><br></div><div>Education dictating copyright terms is =
certainly NOT code for 'ignore copyright'. Exactly the opposite in fact, =
it means assuming everything is copyright and that it is necessary to =
positively determine what the Terms and Conditions (Ts&Cs) for usage =
are.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The point I am making is =
that the whole concept of 'educational exceptions' is broken and cannot =
be mended. Even if we engaged fully in debate of the Gower =
recommendations and the consultation it would not be possible to agree =
limits on where things could be accessed, by who, or what materials are =
included or not included. The net result would be that any school =
relying on educational exceptions to justify how content is being used =
digitally by their community will end up hopelessly confused. It's just =
unworkable. We could engage with this until the end of eternity and =
still get no result.</div><div><br></div><div>A little story - a big =
museum set up a nice project, whereby kids could borrow mobile phones =
and as they went round the museum could take pictures of things they =
found particularly interesting and could then upload these into online =
galleries being run by the museum, that the kids could then access when =
back in school. But the project ran into a roadblock when they realised =
that they had some things in the museum that were on loan and not =
owned by themselves, and the terms of the loan did not permit =
photography of the object, let alone the making and copying of digital =
copies.</div><div><br></div><div>At some point in the near future kids =
in schools are going to be permitted to use their phones to capture =
images - how many company meetings have you been in where taking =
pictures of the whiteboard at the end of a discussion is just normal =
practice. Even the builder putting in our loft conversion is now taking =
pictures of things to show us. So if they are using some content in =
class and need to be able to look at it again at home, they will copy =
it. Moral for the school - don't have any content in use that cannot be =
used in this way and make sure the kids also know the Ts&Cs =
(probably 'can be used by you and on the school platform, can't be put =
on the Internet or copied to =
others).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I believe we should be =
saying to this consultation:</div><div><br></div><div>- Educational =
exceptions to copyright will no longer work for schools, because they =
cannot be limited in space or to what materials are digitised, given =
that we are way past the point when digitising devices and spread of =
content around networks and the Internet can be controlled by a =
responsible organisation, and the people it is necessary to engage in =
collaborative learning cannot be limited to single defined institutions =
and people who are bone-fide members of those =
institutions.</div><div><br></div><div>- Schools should therefore rely =
not on exceptions, but on positive determination of the copyright terms =
and conditions that apply to the content they wish to =
use.</div><div><br></div><div>- For education and learning in the =
digital age, there is a clear need for as much content as possible to be =
covered by creative commons Ts&Cs, so that it can be used as widely =
as possible, collaboratively, and re-purposed to aid learning. The =
amount of this content will continue to grow exponentially, worldwide, =
as more and more educators and learners become content =
creators.</div><div><br></div><div>- Copyright holders will then have to =
decide for themselves what they have that has value beyond the creative =
commons content available, and whether they are going to adopt copyright =
Ts&Cs that help educators to use their content, both with regard to =
how the content can be used and to the complexity for the organisation =
in understanding and managing the copyright Ts&Cs. (I have seen =
museum Ts&Cs that run to 12 pages!) To help this process some =
simple, single page exemplar Ts&Cs for education purchasers should =
be produced. The whole issue of digital rights management would also =
come in here - if content owners demand DRM and that makes their content =
unusable by schools and their communities, then so be =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>- Similarly, organisations such as the =
Copyright Licensing Authority will have to decide if they can make a =
business by coordinating the copyright Ts&Cs of a range of =
defined content providers, in a way that will stimulate educational use =
and hence a financial return to the content owners, that the owners =
could not themselves achieve by selling to schools =
directly.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Then as clarity =
appears as to what content schools can and cannot afford to use, without =
reliance on 'educational exceptions', there will be a clear message for =
government that if some content is critical for education and is not =
being made available for educators and learners to use, in =
learning-effective, manageable and affordable ways, then national action =
will need to be taken to make such content =
available.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Roger.</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 11 Feb =
2010, at 10:04, Crispin Weston wrote:</div><br =
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style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; ">I agree =
with you on the underlying problem =96 but I am not so sure that I agree =
with your view of the solution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
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face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; ">The reason why Gower focuses on interactive whiteboards =
(from our point of view, maybe somewhat perversely) is that Gower is =
assuming that something displayed on an IWB is not then going out of the =
room =96 it is a plenary display device with a clear boundary to the =
group of people who are accessing it. This replicates the conditions =
which applied to the display of video in classrooms and (on the basis of =
low and rapidly deteriorating quality) to the distribution of =
photocopied hand-outs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
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"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; ">I do not agree with you that the supplier should now =
dictate copyright terms (this is really code for =93ignore copyright=94). =
The much touted view that the internet was going to end intellectual =
property is untrue, for reasons: (a) =96 technically, because publishers =
are increasingly putting in place DRM protection, (b) because the law is =
still the law and from time to time very significant damages are still =
awarded against file sharers, and (c) =96 in principle, because =
undermining IP would be a disaster which would bring innovation to a =
screaming halt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
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"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; ">That is not to say that people, using e.g. creative =
commons, may elect to give up their IP if they are able to earn their =
living some other way (e.g. by occupying a salaried position or by =
offering advertising or support services) =96 and this might be a very =
appropriate model for UGC. But the vast majority of businesses still =
need to charge for the services they provide in one way or another =96 =
and we need the involvement of industry if we are going to get access to =
genuinely innovative products and =
content.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div =
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"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; ">The other =
issue with the educational exceptions is the definition of the material =
which is affected =96 something like =93literary, dramatic or musical =
works=94 i.e. educational content is not included. If it were, then all =
educational publishers would be put out of business overnight. In other =
words, the educational exceptions only affect material where education =
is a tangential and unimportant source of income to the rights =
holder.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
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style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; ">In this =
respect, we have to question the distinction (which in this context =
becomes very important) between educational and non-educational content. =
We are no longer going to distribute a photocopy of Macbeth (literary, =
not educational) and then have a chat about it (educational but not =
replicable) =96 we are going to suck in a digital version of Macbeth, =
probably combined with some videos of the latest RSC production =
(commercial/dramatic) and comments from other teachers (UGC), into an =
educational software programme (commercial educational). The boundaries =
starts to become very complex.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; ">So I have two overall comments on =
Gower:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; ">1) =
educational exceptions can be applied fairly easily to what I would call =
=93plenary displays=94 (IWBs and =
visualisers).<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" =
color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Verdana; color: blue; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; ">2) I am less sure about =93distance learning=94, which is =
really a synonym for the internet. Even if the VLE is secure, you cannot =
then stop the material being copied by students into non-secure =
environments. =46rom hereon in, educational exceptions are insufficient =
without a technical component. We must look to DRM solutions which place =
a reliable =93wall=94 around educational use and can seamlessly handle =
the authorisation of non-educational content within complex =
orchestrations of different types of =
content.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; =
">Crispin.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; ">PS. you =
need to send an email to Leon, who will give you access to the =
document.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" =
face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; =
color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"Verdana"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: blue; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"border-top-style: =
none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: =
initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; =
border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding-top: 0cm; =
padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 4pt; "><div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font =
size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; "><hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center"=
tabindex=3D"-1"></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Tahoma"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname =
w:st=3D"on"><a href=3D"mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">advisory-admin@talk.naace.org</a></st1:personname><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<st1:personname =
w:st=3D"on"><a href=3D"mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">advisory-admin@talk.naace.org</a></st1:personname>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Roger =
Broadie<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>11 February 2010 =
09:00<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>theo kuechel<br><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:beyond@talk.naace.org" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">beyond@talk.naace.org</a>;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:primary@talk.naace.org" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">primary@talk.naace.org</a>; secondary; =
Advisory talk<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold; =
">Subject:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Advisory] Re: =
[Secondary]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Consultation on Copyright =
and Education</span></font><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">Theo,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">First of all, I cannot access Gower's recommendations for =
educational exceptions, I can't get at it through my usual Google docs =
logon. Please advise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">However, I will be extremely surprised if ANY educational =
exceptions will deal with the situation we now find ourselves in. This =
is because the concept of 'educational use' was single person use for =
their own study, whereas education use now largely means copying and =
re-purposing for access by others who will collaboratively reflect upon =
what the learner has done and provide afl feedback. There is no =
substantive difference between this and =
publishing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">It is also almost impossible to limit use to 'use within an =
educational institution' because that must now mean use online by the =
community of people involved with promoting learning in the institution, =
and where does that stop? Does it include Granny who lives in<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">New Zealand</st1:country-region><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>and the partner school =
in<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Mexico</st1:place></st1:country-region>?<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">The only answer is to turn the copyright legislation on its head =
and to state very clearly that material that is not provided with =
appropriate copyright for use in education, will be completely ignored =
by educators and learners. It is time for the users to set copyright =
terms, not the suppliers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">The terms and conditions that you come across in many web =
resources are completely unworkable for schools and learners. Try =
looking at a few. There is no way this can be resolved from the supplier =
end, it will have to be resolved from the user end. For instance, =
LT<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Scotland</st1:place></st1:country-region><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>DICTATE what the copyright =
terms and conditions will be for things they licence nationally. The =
whole education community should do =
similarly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">There are essentially only 3 copyright terms that =
matter:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">- you can look at it but not do anything else with =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">- you can copy and re-purpose it within the defined community of =
a an educational institution (but the community of the institution can =
only be defined by the institution =
itself)<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">- it is creative commons and you can copy and re-purpose it to =
your heart's content provided source is =
acknowledged.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">Roger.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:15, theo kuechel =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; =
margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt; ">Paul, Colleagues;<br><br>This is very timely, urgent and =
probably of greater significance than the many technologies we often =
discuss, (including iPads, Interactive whiteboards, Web 2.0 =
applications or VLEs); the outcomes of this consultation are likely to =
determine how we are allowed to use our digital tools, access digital =
content and by default, determine the opportunities we afford our =
learners. These outcomes will shape the future culture of learning for =
the foreseeable future and permeate all educational uses of ICT =
including distance learning, mobile technologies, student work in =
digital format and the sharing and development of teacher created =
resources.<br><br>Having read<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Marshall</st1:place></st1:city>'s =
synopsis and then the re-read the documents it appears there is some =
urgent work to be done. Leon Cych has created a copy of Gower's =
recommendations for educational exceptions<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://is.gd/84oFi" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">here</a>, to which we can add comments =
/annotations. Please email<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:leoncych@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Leon</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>for access.<br><br>It =
think is important we have that debate and I personally look forward to =
reading the Nacce community views, and hopefully. as you suggest, we can =
start to develop a Naace response. I am surprised there is no Naace =
working group on =
this?<br><br>Best<br>Theo<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div=
><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; ">On 5 February 2010 21:38, Paul Springford =
<<a href=3D"mailto:paul.springford@naace.org" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">paul.springford@naace.org</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0cm; =
margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times =
New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; ">Colleagues<br><br>Many of =
you will already have read in the latest Naace newsletter Marshal =
Mateer's article about an important consultation with implications =
for<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>schools. Did you already =
know about the Intellectual Property Office (IPO), "the<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold; ">official government body</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>responsible for granting =
Intellectual Property (IP) rights in the<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">United =
Kingdom</st1:place></st1:country-region>"? Possibly not. It's their =
consultation and it deals in part with copyright in education in a =
digital age.<br><br>We firmly expect that members will wish to discuss =
the implications for our schools and colleges here on Naacetalk. We are =
looking for a volunteer to coordinate the discussion and use it as the =
basis of a Naace response to the IPO. Any offers please to<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:paul.springford@naace.co.uk" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">paul.springford@naace.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><p =
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'Times New Roman'; "><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt; "><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>--<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Theo =
Kuechel<br>Learning Technology Research <br><a =
href=3D"mailto:theo.kuechel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">theo.kuechel@gmail.com</a><br><a =
href=3D"mailto:T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">T.Kuechel@hull.ac.uk</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div =
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margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; =
"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: =
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"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:sm=
arttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></d=
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