[Advisory] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and Education
Crispin Weston
crispin.weston@alphalearning.co.uk
Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:33:23 -0000
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@ Theo, I am sure you are right. What I really meant was that there was
merit in the iconic CC approach to licensing. Any mark associated with DRM
would need to have a provenance other CC. I think the place for CC is for
static (and generally lower-value) resources which, as per my discussion
with Roger, cannot really be kept in any kind of box anyway.
@Gary, Personally, I do not see a clear boundary between content production
tools (often with associated players) and content - it is more of a
continuum, particularly when you look at the kind of adaptable, high-end
content which delivers the pedagogical benefits that Roger mentions.
I agree with you that subscription-based licensing can present difficulties
to teachers who wish to build durable programmes of study. But this is a
problem (and not necessarily an insoluble one) with a particular licensing
model, not a problem about commercial provision in general. I do not see how
you are going to get significant and well managed investment in R&D in
advanced technology without supporting some kind of commercial model. At the
heart of this debate, I think, lies a synergistic relationship between
commercial and OER provision - not a war between opposing camps.
Best, Crispin.
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From: advisory-admin@talk.naace.org [mailto:advisory-admin@talk.naace.org]
On Behalf Of theo kuechel
Sent: 19 February 2010 09:35
To: Crispin Weston
Cc: Ray Tolley; advisory@talk.naace.org
Subject: Re: [Advisory] Re: [Secondary] UK Consultation on Copyright and
Education
Colleagues
For info - here is already a CCLearn division within Creative Commons.
http://learn.creativecommons.org/about/
It is highly unlikely that Creative Commons would support any resources with
technical Boundaries or DRM; call it what you will. CC covers permissions
and use and does not get involved in technical aspects of resources.
Best
Theo.
On 19 February 2010 09:13, Crispin Weston
<crispin.weston@alphalearning.co.uk> wrote:
Ray,
I agree the CCE would need discussion and agreement. Plus, I think, support
from some kind of technical boundary (forthcoming reply to Roger) - so that
the mark is a matter of information rather than permission.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>@ Theo, I am sure you are right. =
What I
really meant was that there was merit in the iconic CC approach to =
licensing.
Any mark associated with DRM would need to have a provenance other CC. I =
think
the place for CC is for static (and generally lower-value) resources =
which, as
per my discussion with Roger, cannot really be kept in any kind of box =
anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>@Gary, Personally, I do not see a =
clear
boundary between content production tools (often with associated =
players) and
content – it is more of a continuum, particularly when you look at =
the
kind of adaptable, high-end content which delivers the pedagogical =
benefits
that Roger mentions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>I agree with you that =
subscription-based
licensing can present difficulties to teachers who wish to build durable
programmes of study. But this is a problem (and not necessarily an =
insoluble
one) with a particular licensing model, not a problem about commercial
provision in general. I do not see how you are going to get significant =
and
well managed investment in R&D in advanced technology without =
supporting
some kind of commercial model. At the heart of this debate, I think, =
lies a
synergistic relationship between commercial and OER provision – =
not a war
between opposing camps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:blue'>Best, Crispin.</span></font><font
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>theo =
kuechel<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 19 February 2010 =
09:35<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Crispin Weston<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Ray Tolley;
advisory@talk.naace.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Advisory] =
Re:
[Secondary] <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>
Consultation on Copyright and Education</span></font><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Colleagues<br>
<br>
For info - here is already a CCLearn division within Creative Commons. =
<a
href=3D"http://learn.creativecommons.org/about/">http://learn.creativecom=
mons.org/about/</a><br>
<br>
It is highly unlikely that Creative Commons would support any resources =
with
technical Boundaries or DRM; call it what you will. CC covers =
permissions
and use and does not get involved in technical aspects of resources.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
Theo. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>On 19 February 2010 09:13, Crispin Weston <<a
href=3D"mailto:crispin.weston@alphalearning.co.uk" =
target=3D"_blank">crispin.weston@alphalearning.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
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color:blue'>Ray,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
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size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DVerdana><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:blue'>I agree the CCE would need discussion and agreement. Plus, I =
think,
support from some kind of technical boundary (forthcoming reply to =
Roger)
– so that the mark is a matter of information rather than =
permission.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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